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35 tracked calls · 8 long · 27 short · last 90d: 5L/14S
first called by Invest Like the Best 10mo ago
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Ray DalioSELL
CRMCRMLONG3d ago
“the really egregious overhiring firms like Salesforce, the market is just crushing their stocks. And so the market is being very very clear with companies like you need to do RA and people didn't want”
1000x

Plunging stock prices are forcing egregious overhirers like Salesforce to execute layoffs within 3 months and unlock record 34.8% operating margins.

CRMCRMLONG@ $185.25
$187.97+1.47%
since call Jul 28
peak +4.6%
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CRMCRMSHORT4d ago
“Salesforce is in the category of software that they're trying to cut... Because Salesforce has not been adding value to them in years and it keeps charging them more and more for that less value every”
The Real Eisman Playbook · Steve Eisman

Enterprises are slashing budgets to fund AI and dumping Salesforce because it hiked prices by 9% last year without improving the actual product.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $181.60
$187.97-3.50%
since call Jul 27
peak +2.7%
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CRMCRMSHORT1w ago
“If you go to Salesforce you get the same story. These are downward moving 200 day moving averages. These stocks are toast.”
Jordi Visser

Salesforce requires a massive business pivot to survive as its downward-sloping 200-day moving average proves the legacy software giant is completely toast.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $166.66
$187.97-12.78%
since call Jul 19
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CRMCRMSHORT2w ago
“So Salesforce is now down to a 10p to 2028, 11 PE to next year... This is why from the beginning of the year, I said you want to be short abundance. Anything built on code that can be replicated by a ”
Jordi Visser

Investors blindly buying Salesforce at an 11 PE ignore that AI computers can now instantly replicate the basic code its entire software empire relies on.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $162.21
$187.97-15.88%
since call Jul 12
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CRMCRMLONG4w ago
“Need to do a presentation on investing in software. Slide 1: don't. The end.”
Unemployed Capital Allocator

SaaS capitulation peak — Salesforce down 50% from highs into maximum pessimism; the bottom is close

CRMCRMLONG@ $159.13
$187.97+18.13%
since call Jun 28
peak +19.9%
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CRMCRMSHORT1mo ago
“Incumbents are at a significant disadvantage when it comes to this.”
Unemployed Capital Allocator

Legacy CRM incumbents lose pricing power and customers as AI-native tools replicate their workflows in days

CRMCRMSHORT@ $147.50
$187.97-27.44%
since call Jun 25
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CRMCRMSHORT1mo ago
“Today, @_catwu introduced "Claude Tags," a Slack AI coworker and direct competitor to @perplexity_ai's Computer.”
SemiAnalysis

AI coworkers like Claude Tag and Perplexity Computer displace traditional Salesforce seat-based SaaS revenue — Slack's own platform becomes the distribution layer for Anthropic, cutting CRM out of the value chain.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $154.05
$187.97-22.01%
since call Jun 23
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CRMCRMSHORT1mo ago
“Will they ever use Salesforce as part of their ecosystem? And if the answer is no, that should absolute absolutely be a massive headwind to the valuation of Salesforce even though every Fortune 500 co”
Invest Like the Best

New trillion-dollar startups will completely bypass legacy software platforms, wiping out today's hundred-billion-dollar incumbents.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $153.27
$187.97-22.64%
since call Jun 23
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CRMCRMSHORT1mo ago
“Here's CRM, Salesforce, continuing to puke out.”
Jordi Visser

Free AI tools are rendering legacy software obsolete, causing a broader sector decline that is dragging down Salesforce.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $153.79
$187.97-22.22%
since call Jun 21
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CRMCRMSHORT1mo ago
“Salesforce is now down a record 13 days in a row”
zerohedge

CRM's record 13-day losing streak signals relentless momentum selling; continuation lower is the path of least resistance

CRMCRMSHORT@ $154.63
$187.97-21.56%
since call Jun 18
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CRMCRMSHORT1mo ago
“we believe that there are more fundamental structural reasons for the negative ROT: Agents are the wrong architecture for most work.”
Not Boring

If agents are the wrong architecture for enterprise work, the vendor that bet the company on Agentforce reprices down.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $176.68
$187.97-6.39%
since call Jun 10
peak +11.0%
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CRMCRMSHORT1mo ago
“We basically sold almost all of our software, almost all of our application software. We still have one or two small ones, but entering this year we were…”
Invest Like the Best

Enterprise application software gets squeezed and disrupted by AI, justifying a net short

CRMCRMSHORT@ $179.90
$187.97-4.48%
since call Jun 9
peak +14.5%
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CRMCRMSHORT1mo ago
“The entire incrementality that has been sold as incremental software modules to all of us doesn't need to be sold to us because I'd much rather have LLMs run a…”
All-In Podcast

Analytical SaaS is dead: LLMs run queries directly on data, killing the incremental-module sales model.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $189.33
$187.97+0.72%
since call Jun 8
peak +15.9%
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CRMCRMSHORT1mo ago
“I worry more about a salesforce um than I do about your kind of um I think you got to do the work... when someone had a kind of a niche software product,…”
All-In Podcast

Ackman singles out Salesforce as the kind of high-priced enterprise software whose monopolistic per-customer pricing is exposed as AI lets buyers self-serve, versus low-priced platforms like Microsoft he sees as safe. The stake is a directional negative on Salesforce specifically.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $195.16
$187.97+3.68%
since call Jun 3
peak +18.3%
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CRMCRMLONGPOSITION2mo ago
“I did hire like almost 20% more salespeople … because I need more capacity because we have more demand than ever.”
TBPN

Benioff freezing engineer/service headcount on AI while hiring 20% more sales reps signals record demand, not SaaS decline.

CRMCRMLONG@ $213.47
$187.97-11.95%
since call Jun 1
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CRMCRMSHORT2mo ago
“the front-facing solutions that they offer are more competitive with the models than something like Snowflake … I think that Salesforce competes a bit more. So it's going to be more challenging.”
TBPN

Salesforce front-facing apps compete with the models, so it struggles to get in the token flow

CRMCRMSHORT@ $192.34
$187.97+2.27%
since call May 29
peak +18.3%
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CRMCRMLONG2mo ago
“While the sector is not a blanket bargain, we do uncover a handful of software stocks, such as Salesforce, that appear attractive on intangible value.”
Sparkline Capital

Salesforce sold off on AI fears but its intangible moats screen cheap, set to recover as a survivor

CRMCRMLONG@ $182.61
$187.97+2.93%
since call May 19
peak +5.8%
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CRMCRMLONGPOSITION2mo ago
“we want to buy back as much as we can. ... I've bought some great companies, by the way. Everything's a little cheaper. I like that.”
All-In Podcast

Benioff is funding one of the largest buybacks in history into a 37% drawdown, a CEO putting balance sheet behind the view that the SaaSpocalypse selloff overshot. Chamath independently calls the high-end monoliths oversold and due to re-rate up.

CRMCRMLONG@ $176.67
$187.97+6.40%
since call May 15
peak +9.4%
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CRMCRMSHORT2mo ago
“we replace traditional or legacy CRM. These are your Salesforces, HubSpots, Adios. … we are AI native.”
TBPN

AI-native CRMs erode Salesforce's system-of-record moat and seat-based pricing, pressuring its multiple lower.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $174.35
$187.97-7.81%
since call May 12
peak +8.5%
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CRMCRMLONG3mo ago
“By the way, Salesforce today is down 9%. 140 billion enterprise value on 15 billion of free cash flow. This thing is trading at less than 10 times free cash…”
All-In Podcast

At under 10x FCF with Benioff going headless on agents, Salesforce looks like a bargain in the SaaS wreck

CRMCRMLONG@ $175.80
$187.97+6.92%
since call Apr 24
peak +6.9%
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CRMCRMSHORTPOSITION3mo ago
“I'm bullish on Salesforce puts is what I'm saying. … 80% of software companies are really in trouble.”
TBPN

Salesforce gets gutted as AI makes legacy SaaS trivially replaceable; buy puts

CRMCRMSHORT@ $193.63
$187.97+2.92%
since call Apr 22
peak +17.6%
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CRMCRMLONG3mo ago
“we're actually seeing some reacceleration this year from 8.7% to 9.6% to 10.8% … it feels like definitely too soon to— for the SaaSpocalypse narrative to show…”
TBPN

Bears wrong on Salesforce: AI makes CRM more valuable, not replaced; revenue reaccelerating to 10%+.

CRMCRMLONG@ $189.52
$187.97-0.82%
since call Apr 20
peak +1.6%
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CRMCRMSHORT3mo ago
“Salesforce has increased their headless tax and they're ready to do a 2-year migration off … I need to free up money to set on GPUs, set GPUs on fire.”
TBPN

Salesforce revenue still grows but the per-seat model hits a ceiling as enterprises plan migrations off to fund AI.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $188.46
$187.97+0.26%
since call Apr 20
peak +16.0%
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CRMCRMSHORT3mo ago
“I think insourcing might actually be a problem … if I'm a huge Fortune 500 company, I can hire software engineers that through Claude might have the ability…”
We Study Billionaires · Daniel Mahncke

Fortune 500 customers insource CRM with AI coders, eroding seats and retention, so the moat multiple compresses.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $181.06
$187.97-3.81%
since call Apr 18
peak +14.3%
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CRMCRMSHORT3mo ago
“I'm now starting to see very meaningful agentic business process workflows … that's sort of what led to the whole SaaS implosion.”
More Than Moore

AI agents can do the white-collar work these software seats were sold for, so customers buy fewer seats and the old SaaS giants shrink.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $176.59
$187.97-6.44%
since call Apr 9
peak +11.5%
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CRMCRMSHORT5mo ago
“I don't think AI is going to get rid of Salesforce, but it could eat into their growth opportunity. We just don't know. What if it changes the pricing model?”
All-In Podcast

Sacks expects Salesforce to survive but sees AI compressing its growth and possibly breaking the per-seat pricing model, which is a mild bearish lean on the growth multiple rather than a solvency short. The link is that a slower-growth, AI-pressured CRM should trade at a lower forward multiple even if revenue holds.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $194.93
$187.97+3.57%
since call Feb 28
peak +19.9%
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CRMCRMSHORT5mo ago
“If you don't think that there's anything to reverse that trend, these are phenomenal shorts.”
1000x · Avi Felman

Short the SaaS service providers, AI lets clients build in-house and their real revenues will fall

CRMCRMSHORT@ $185.20
$187.97-1.49%
since call Feb 17
peak +17.2%
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CRMCRMSHORT5mo ago
“Why does a company need to say, standardized Salesforce if an agent is just gonna query data and leads on your behalf.”
Jordi Visser

Salesforce gets hit hardest as agents make CRM form-and-workflow software unnecessary.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $188.92
$187.97+0.50%
since call Feb 8
peak +18.4%
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CRMCRMSHORT5mo ago
“It could be true that you're not going to replace CRM, but it can also be true that it's never going to trade at 30 times free cash flow again. And it's going…”
All-In Podcast

Gerstner's call is not that Salesforce dies but that its valuation re-rates permanently lower as the agentic layer captures the profit pool the app layer used to own. The stake is on the multiple, roughly halving from 30x to 17x free cash flow, not on revenue collapsing.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $193.02
$187.97+2.62%
since call Feb 7
peak +18.4%
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CRMCRMLONG5mo ago
“I, I think people are kind of overreacting to that in the stock market and so forth. And that if you look at existing software companies, like people think,…”
Invest Like the Best

Incumbent enterprise software like Salesforce and SAP survives AI disruption; selloff overdone

CRMCRMLONG@ $213.07
$187.97-11.78%
since call Feb 3
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CRMCRMSHORT6mo ago
“Slack, for example, I would say might be in a little bit more precarious state because the data in Slack is not timeless.”
Invest Like the Best

Short half-life data makes Slack vulnerable; AI can rebuild it and siphon its value, despite Salesforce ownership.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $231.16
$187.97+18.68%
since call Jan 29
peak +31.5%
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CRMCRMSHORT6mo ago
“I think software companies are basically had their Ozempic moment … that's what you're gonna be replacing. People and software budgets.”
Jordi Visser

Enterprise software incumbents face their Ozempic moment as AI replaces headcount and software budgets

CRMCRMSHORT@ $230.23
$187.97+18.36%
since call Jan 18
peak +31.3%
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CRMCRMSHORT7mo ago
“And that's exactly what the SaaS companies are doing. They have their 70%, 80%, 90% gross margins, and they are reluctant to accept AI gross margins.”
Invest Like the Best

Application SaaS firms guard high margins instead of running low-margin agents, guaranteeing AI failure

CRMCRMSHORT@ $256.94
$187.97+26.84%
since call Dec 9
peak +39.9%
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CRMCRMSHORT8mo ago
“Take salesforce.com... What do people do in salesforce.com? It's basically like a sophisticated form checker with some analysis. And it's brutal. It's painful…”
Invest Like the Best

AI startups with reimagined UI, new data and new business model can finally rip out Salesforce

CRMCRMSHORT@ $229.46
$187.97+18.08%
since call Dec 2
peak +33.0%
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CRMCRMSHORT10mo ago
“now you add this AI part of it, you've now added a humongous COGS, right? Your cost of goods sold in any AI software is really hard and really big.”
Invest Like the Best

Software-only SaaS faces a reckoning: AI sends COGS soaring while customer acquisition costs stay high.

CRMCRMSHORT@ $249.43
$187.97+24.64%
since call Sep 30
peak +36.3%
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